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May 29th 2009 14:37

The next time I feel like I want to snap on someone who tells me that Alex Rodriguez isn’t a deserving, legitimate, perennial MVP candidate or that he never gets a clutch hit--blah…blah…blah-- I promise, I won’t snap, I’ll just point out the numbers to you in black and white. Quite honestly it’s an argument I’m sick of making. I don’t care what you think about the guy as a person. I don’t care if you think his lips are too purple or his tan is too orange or if you just flat out can’t stand the fact that he was with Madonna and practiced a little Kabbababbadoodoo or whatever it’s called. The fact is, this is the best all around player of this generation. Albert Pujols is knocking on the door though, of that there is no question. I’ll give you that.


An MVP is not strictly just your personal numbers, it’s also what your presence in an everyday lineup does for the guys hitting around you. Ask Big Tex, Mark Teixeira, if he thinks A-Rod is a valuable presence. Look at these numbers-- before Rodriguez came back to the Yankees on May 8, Teixeira was hitting .195 with 5 HR and 15 RBI. Since A-Rod’s return to the lineup Teixeira’s numbers now look like this on the year--.275 with 15 HR and 39 RBI going into yesterday. Think that’s value?? And consider that A-Rod himself is only hitting .258 right now, although the power numbers are there with his 7 HR already. The average will only get better as we move along.

A-Rod is a lifetime .305 hitter with 560 HR’s, but somehow in so many people’s minds, especially around Boston, he’s not MVP material and he’s never, ever in his life gotten a clutch hit. Yet at 24 years old when he was with Seattle, he led that team in a great American League Championship Series against the powerhouse Yankees. A-Rod hit .409 with 2 HR and 5 RBI plus a couple of doubles as well against a team that was stacked with pitching and he shined under the bright lights of Yankee Stadium in that series. His career postseason numbers are .279-7-17 in 149 postseason at bats. Not quite as bad as you thought, right? Rodriguez now has 8 walkoff homeruns in his career. Five of them have come with the Yankees.. Last time I checked, walkoff homeruns are pretty clutch right? Considering that the record for most walkoff HR in history is 12 and it is held by Jimmie Foxx, Mickey Mantle, Stan Musial, Frank Robinson and Babe Ruth. Some pretty good company if you ask me!





What a job by the LA Dodgers so far without Mannywood in the lineup. Juan Pierre has been a huge spark plug filling in for Ramirez and the young kids on that team like Matt Kemp and Andre Ethier continue to develop mixed in with veterans like Casey Blake and O-Dog Hudson who are having very nice starts thus far. Keep an eye on this Chad Billingsly kid who is off to a great start. He and Randy Wolf have been a great presence at the top of that rotation and with the emergence of 21 year old Clayton Kershaw behind them, they just might be there all year until Manny finally gets back to help. Solid middle relief and a dominant closer in Jonathan Broxton I believe will keep them where they need to be as they bide their time until Manny flushes his system out and gets himself a tighter fitting sports bra and returns to the lineup. Watch those Dodger hitters sometime, you can tell that Joe Torre and Don Mattingly have implemented that “work the count” philosophy that they always had in NY. Nice young team mixed with some decent veterans.

Chuck Hanf
Two Cents From Beantown @ Sportramble.com

(Thanks to Nick Sixers and Code20Photog for the A-Rod, Manny pics)
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Comment by Anonymous

May 29th 2009 15:18
Tommy sent me to your blog. Great articles and are you considering a career in journalism? If not, you should.

Now back to business and comments on your article..
Have you watched A-Rod in the postseason with the Yankees when his knees are knocking? He's so nervous that he's not gonna get a hit and get booed, that he buckles under the pressure. Once October arrives and he's playing in the post season, you'll see the same choking dog that we've seen in all his post seasons with the Yankees. It doesn't matter what he's done with Seattle, it's a what have you done for me lately in the playoffs kind of world. Great points with your stats, but like I said, wait until the post season and he'll keep on doing his choking.

Comment by Chuck H

May 29th 2009 15:34
I think it's more of a Boston thing than anything w/him more than anything else. He really wanted to be here and he's never fully gotten over that. The one series against the Sox in the playoffs he hit .258 w/ 2 homers..(not great but not choke)He's not the same player in the playoffs but my point was that he's not a choke either .279 w/7 Homeruns in the postseason is far from a choke.. better quality of opponent and much better pitching you face in the postseason. Plus, trust me, I don't care what anyone says, he puts the fear of god into opposing pitchers and his presence makes the hitters around him better because they see better pitches to hit. Thanks for your comments on the writing.. I appreciate that.

Comment by Anonymous

May 29th 2009 23:44
Why don't you look up his stats in the post season without adding in the Seattle stats? I'd bet his post season stats as just a Yankee are putrid and wretched. He's probably hitting between .100-.200 as a Yankee in post season games. To me, that's a choke artist at its best. And I would say most pitchers salivate to face ARod in the post season because they know he is a choking dog and an easy out come October. You can even see the look on his face that he's nervous and the media is just waiting for him to fail. Sorry Chuck, I have to sorely disagree with your position on ARod. Great regular season player, a choking post season player.
Tommy just told me your site is taking off! Congrats. I hope you make it big! But sucking up to ARod is not gonna get you there quickly! Ha HA!!

Comment by Chuck H

May 30th 2009 01:50
yeah.. tha't about the equivalent of saying, "lets take the 12 game winning streak the Sox were on earlier in the year away and tell me how well they'd be doing now if that were erased! Erase his Seattle postseason AGAINST the best team in baseball at the time? Dude, wake up. That is ridiculous. Your points are somewhat crazy Tom. First off, you have to help your team GET TO the postseason, correct?? How's A-Rod at doing that?? Pretty good?? His numbers in the postseason aren't as good, but that makes him as you so eloquently put it, "a choking dog". Go take a couple aspirin and practice some Kabbababbadoodoo with Madonna and get a good nights rest. I'm objective. Your just clearly an A-Rod basher. That's all good. Thanks again for checking in w/your opinion. That's what's great about this. Everyone can have an opinion. Even an A-Rod hater. He had the one putrid postseason series against Detroit where he hit like .098. That killed his numbers overall.. but still .279 with 7 bombs. He's a better player than any of your favorite Red Sox players from 2004 or 2007. Sorry to break the news to you. Let me guess, you think Big Papi ( a DH) is better than a guy like A-Rod, overall because he got a few more "clutch" hits in the postseason. Why don't we just take away Big Papi's 2004 ALCS against the Yankees and you tell me where he'd be? Ridiculous.

Comment by Sean Brennan

May 30th 2009 02:15
First of all, I'm not Tom. It's Sean Brennan. Thank Tommy for showing me your blog and being your biggest pain in the neck critic. LOL.. I thought you knew it was me making these comments. I should have not said anything and let you blame Tommy. He would have been like, what you talking about?

And I'd take anyone over ARod in the postseason. Dude, have you watched him in the post season as a Yankee?? Or are you blind? You still haven't brought his Yankee post season numbers to the table and I would guess they are wretched. Forget about his Seattle numbers. They don't have anything to do with his postseason performance as a Yankee. In fact, those numbers inflate his postseason average and make it look better than it really is.. I'll say I'm wrong when ARod wins a ring. It's all about the rings and not the stats.
Oh and how did ARod do getting his team to the postsseason last yr and all those yrs in Texas?? Pretty good huh?
I hate to break the news to you, but he may not go to the hall of fame because people will question his stats after his steroid embarrassment unless he tears it up over the next decade as a Yankee and maybe gets a hit for once in the postseason. And do you live in Boston or New York? LOL..

I admit that I will never respect ARod until he shows that he can get it done in the post season and win a world series. That's how all athletes should be judged. Ask Tom Brady. He's got some rings to show for it.

Comment by Chuck H

May 30th 2009 02:23
u got me fired up on this one.. I'm not done! NO PITCHER, ever is salivating to face one of the best overall hitters ever to set foot in between the lines. I don't give a rats ass if he struggles more in postseason play or not. that statement is way out of bounds. you go find a pitcher that will tell you, "oh yeah, I was salivating to face A-Rod in the postseason".. Might go down as the best overall player in the history of the game.. Gold glove shortstop who can put up offensive numbers like that? Can I find more clutch guys than A-Rod in the postseason? Yes. But ask yourself this, is A-Rod's .279 average with 7 homers in postseaon play worse than someone who hit's .250 with 20 homers in the regular season but when he gets to the postseason he dominates because pitchers come right after him and aren't scared? Or is the bettter player a guy like A-Rod, who dominates regular season, gets his team to postseason play and then for the most part gets pitched around due to how good he is? Is the guy hitting .250 with 18-20 homers a major reason his team got to the postseason or is A-Rod's .320 average w/40 homers more of a help? You have to GET THERE first Tom. A-Rod's biggest problem is that he doesn't realize pitchers are being ultra careful with him in postseason play due to how good he is as a player, and he ends up chasing pitches and trying to do too much.. but still isn't as bad as you claim he is.. Ha.. Pitchers "salivate" to face A-Rod in postseason. That's awful.

Comment by Sean Brennan

May 30th 2009 02:36
Have you figured out yet that I'm not Tom? How many times do I have to tell you that it's Sean. The bottom line is we're not going to agree on this. You have ARod in the hall of fame and that's great. He''s not a great post season player and I do believe pitchers aren't as afraid of him because they know he's pressing come the postseason to show what he can do. He's not gotten all of his teams to the postseason every yr he's been playing but i do agree that he's one of the best regular season players I've ever seen. Last I checked, he has no rings and I did mention that in my last comment.

Anyway, I looked up his post season numbers as a Yankee and since 2004 (when he joined the Yankees), he has 23 hits in 94 at bats for between a .230-.240 batting average. That includes 1 hit in 14 at bats in his last postseason of 2007. That's not MVP type numbers and he has to hit for the Yankees to have any chance to win the World Series.


Comment by Chuck H

May 30th 2009 02:36
that is ridiculous Sean.. ( I thought you were Tommy's friend Tom Guertin).. Sorry!

So Dan Marino is a sh*t QB because he never won a ring? Most guys don't win rings Sean. It's a fact. A-Rod in Texas??? What? Did they even have a pitcher take the hill in Texas or did they just put pitching machines on the mound pumping out 70 mph heaters?? Ridiculous. No pitching= No championships. .You know better than that. If you read my article, most of it was about how A-Rod is a legit MVP candidate in the regular season and how he's made Teixeira come alive and now the Yankees are rolling.. I mention his postseason numbers briefly. The article is about how I'm sick of people saying he's not a legit MVP candidate and how I'm sick of people saying that a guy who has 8 walkoff home runs in his career.. 4 short of the MLB record, doesn't ever get a clutch hit. He hasn't been as good in the postseason for various reasons Sean, but for you to say "take away his Seattle stats," when he was facing Yankee pitching that was better than what he faced against Boston, is ridiculous. Take it away? It's part of his resume. I got news for you, you dont' just go dominate every year in the postseason as a hitter Sean. You flat out don't. Like I said, he had the one putrid series agains Detroit when he hit .098 and that was what killed him the most. So why don't we just take that one away instead of when he was with Seattle?

Comment by Chuck H

May 30th 2009 02:47
So Ortiz WON the 2004 WS for the Red Sox or did Schilling and Foulke and Pedro and Lowe have a little to do with it? It's a team game Sean. This isn't tennis. The Yankees first and foremost have to pitch their way to a WS. A-Rod's postseason teams have not had great pitching like those Red Sox teams had for Ortiz. You're the same guy sitting here bitching about him now, that would've had your pompoms out if he ended up signing here in 2004. You wouldn't have been saying for us to throw away his Seattle stats then. He has not been a great postseason player with NY.. So what? What he does all year for NY doesn't mean anything? What his presence in that lineup does for other hitters doesn't mean anything? One hitter doesn't win postseason series' Sean. It complements great pitching performances. MVP! MVP! MVP!!! MVP!!!!!! Sorry, I love the guy as an overall player and if he never moved from SS he would've continued his dominance in the postseason. he's been out of place somewhat since he's gotten to NY..and he's still been unbelievable. It's his fault Rivera "chokes like a dog" vs. Boston? Cmon

Comment by Chuck H

May 30th 2009 03:01
and to clear another thing up.. You made this all a NY/Arod situation.. I was talking about A-Rod's whole body of work since he's come into the league. The article wasn't mainly based on A-Rod's postseasons.. Yearly MVP awards are won in the regular season and that was my main subject in this post. I agree that A-Rod presses too much as of late in the postseason. He's getting pitched around and he tries too make too much happen. It's certainly not because he's getting room service fastballs due to the fact pitchers are salivating to face the best hitter of our generation. And as far as the steroids argument. Spare me Sean Our best overall hitter was Mannywood in those years, not Ortiz and Mannywood was juicing just like A-Rod and just like over half of MLB at the time. Steroids or no steroids Alex Rodriguez is the most gifted overall player I've ever seen take the field. And yes, I'm a HUGE Red Sox fan who played the game competitively into Junior College. He's the best. But I love Pujols as strictly a hitter. Pujols is probably the best pure hitter I've ever seen. Not all around.. but pure hitter.

Comment by Chuck H

May 30th 2009 03:22
Sean I guess you're gone now but it was fun arguing with you! For sure.. You just don't see that my whole point was that I was judging him as an "overall" player.. Not just postseason. You turned it to all postseason performance, where if you don't have the pitching in a short series, you're finished. Overall player and legit MVP in regular season who makes his teammates like Teixeira better with his presence in the lineup. Those are the facts. Not the best postseason player? So what, he's not as bad as you claim and he has 100 less AB's in postseason play than Ortiz does.. Papi had the huge 2004 postseason.. Not all that much thereafter. If given the opportunity the numbers will all even out for A-Rod in the postseason. My post was based mainly on regular season performance and making his teammates better wth his presence and helping big time to get his team to postseason play.

Comment by Sean Brennan

May 30th 2009 12:28
Dude, you are getting way to fired up bro. Four articles since I went to bed last night? Are you kidding? I realize you are saying he's a legitimate reular season MVP and I agree. If you're going to make this argument, you have to also consider his post season performance which if you look at 2007, it was hideous. One hit in 14 at bats? How do you explain that?
And I love how you are such an excuse maker for Arod. "He didn't have any pitching so he couldn't win." That's hysterical. The pitching has nothing to do with his actual job which is to get a hit when he's in the batters box when the pressure's on. And he hasn't been able to do it since game 3 of the 2004 ALCS. It's gotta be the pressure of playing in NY or something. And we may not get that answer this yr for two reasons. Number one is will his hip hold up? He needs the same surgery that Lowell had once the season ends so he may get hurt again. And will the Yankees make the postseason? We don't know the answers to any of those questions so we'll just have to sit back and wait until September/October.
In summary, I agree with your point that he's a great regular season player and I question how legit his numbers really are since he was on the juice just like I now question Manny's numbers. I'm being objective and not a homer here. If you go back to ARod's numbers since game 3 of the 2004 ALCS, they are most likely really bad. Add in the 1-14 against the Indians in 2007 and it pulls it down even more. ARod reminds me of the L.A. Angels vs the Red Sox in the postseason. A choke until he can get over the hump. There is hope Chuck. In fact, Peyton Manning had this same wrap until he exorcised the demon which was the Patriots and went on to finally win the superbowl. Hang in there, it may happen someday but I wouldn't bet your house on it.
If you're going to make this argument legit, you need to factor in that he's been a choker in the postseason since game 3 of the 2004 ALCS. The facts are the facts. We're going to have to agree to disagree on this topic I guess.
On a serious note, if he had signed here before the 2004 season, do you think the Sox would have still won the WS that yr? It's an interesting question to ponder.

Comment by Chuck H

May 30th 2009 21:20
wow.. this just goes from bad to worse. Sean to Gansie! At least Sean admits A-Rod is a MVP threat every year. Seans beef is at his postseason numbers.. which wasn't really the point of my post but that's ok...Gansie won't even recognize he's an MVP for "any team".. What? Guys, it's not just the postseason performance that makes a great player. There have been many great players who aren't as good in the postseason for whatever reason, as they are in the reg. season. The Hall of Fame would be basically empty if only postseason perfomance counted. Cmon take off the Sox caps for a second. And as far as your comment on you like how I say he had no pitching in Texas Sean--cmon. It's true and I was making the point because you said A-Rod should lead his team to championship like Brady does. Totally different sport anyway, but if I recall Brady had some guy Adam whatever oh.. Vinatieri kicking game winners as well, along with a vicious Belichick designed defense. It's a team effort to win championships and in baseball, if you don't have the pitching, you go nowhere. Thanks for the comments guys.. Just call this my Michael Felger post! ha...Awesome. Later!

Comment by Chuck H

May 30th 2009 21:27
real quick: The world series question you asked Sean.. that's too tough to answer.. Too many variables. Do I think he would've thrived more here in Boston playing SS instead of moving to 3B? Yes.. I think he's a guy who needs to be thought of as "the man" to fully thrive. NY was always Jeter's team and it affected him somewhat. I just find it all funny.. Although I admit how great of a player A-Rod is, it's not like I'm a huge fan of his etc..I love true clutch guys in the post season.. Top notch performers in the postseason, but I just realize that there are so many great ballplayers, Hall of Fame ballplayers, that just don't thrive in the postseason and that doesn't mean that they aren't great players or MVP's or Hall of Famers. David Ortiz isn't close to being a Hall of Famer and he's one of the best postseason clutch hitters I've ever seen. You guys think he should get in just for that??? Nobody touched on Teixeira either. Why did he come alive when A-rod came back? Coincidence?? What about Dan Marino Gansie, you're a football player.. Is Marino footballs A-Rod? Marino was a great player who deserved to be a Hall of Famer regardless of a ring or not. Just like my boy purple lips A-Rod!

Comment by Chuck H

May 31st 2009 15:05
Josh, the majority of MVP's in the last decade were probably on some form of PED.. Face it.. I don't care, take away the PED's from A-Rod and he's still one of the best ballplayers ever.. You sayin that he would be a .275-280 hitter with 13-18 HR's if he were clean, is crazy. Josh, the man has it 50 HR's in a season. I don't care if you're on the juice or not, when you have A-Rod's talent you don't go down 35 HR's just cuz you're off juice. We'll see I guess... He's supposedly clean now right? Already has 7 HR in one month.. And you can't say, "well he's probably on something else now" because if you say that, that goes for everyone, not just A-Rod. On an even playing field--in a perfect world where no steroids exist, A-Rod would be one of the best players in baseball and one of the best of all time. So he was the MVP a few times in the Steroid Era.. Are you saying that if everyone was clean that Alex Rodriguez wouldn't be an MVP candidate every year?? Cmon...

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